ÇEViRiN Bi ŞUNU LAN

I've come across a man called David Icke from Britain who used to be a football commentator and now is a staunch critic of our global system of oppression such as the illumnati and extensively writes on the topics in his books. What I've found odd is that the conclusion he draws is that this long bloodline denotes back to alien lizards, he says Hitler was illuminati and the same person as other people who existed before his conceived of lifetime. Now I'm as open minded as the next but surely this was a step too far. I have got his book 'The Biggest Secret' just to assess what the hype is about but its a lengthy read so haven't read much as of yet. Is anyone here familiar with his work and if so would like to discuss ideas he may have?
Mr-Tape

2 years and 39 weeks ago

He's part of the Illuminati family himself.
Like Alex Jones, David Icke is a "gate-keeper". They try to divert you from knowledge above a certain level, while scaring you and serving you dis-info.
They must tell quite a lot of (more or less twisted) facts though, to make people believe them in the first place.

The whole reptile/alien thing is dis-info.
spartanlion

2 years and 39 weeks ago

Thanks for letting me know this, that makes sense.
I thought as much.

So is there any actual credible source of information from where an understanding of such orders can be relied upon? There seems to be plenty of people talking about all of these things but few primary source documents to actually back up what is being said. Ofcourse there is such a vast array of information out there it would be near impossible to find in one place but there must be some works that can help us. Where do we access them? John Coleman?

I've found it a bit far-fetched to believe people are hell-bent on destroying the world, that would be of no benefit even to those controlling it. It's this ethic for power maintenance. I think what's more important are people's ability to break out of this materialistic world founded upon amoral values. In order to ofcourse progress towards a more harmonious humanity we have to be aware of what we're up against, hence my wanting to deepen my understanding of such structures.
darkhuman

2 years and 39 weeks ago

ethic and moral theme? read some Nietzsche... i think it doesn't have a place for them here...
spartanlion

2 years and 39 weeks ago

I'm not saying there should be any kind of ethical or moral obligations I'm talking about the lies people are fed result in people being socialized into acting a certain undesirable way. And that's obviously rooted in the powers of control that be. I've read Nietzsche, not fond of him he's too negative for me.
Rhymer

2 years and 39 weeks ago

Hi,

I have to admit that for a few years I've been massively interested in what David Icke and indeed Alex Jones have had to say with regards to the NWO, The Illuminati, 9/11 etc. but... recently I get the impression that these people are just here to muddy the water and cloud any real discussion or activism with regards to the true puppeteers controlling the world, Whether it really is the 'Illuminati' the Luciferian's etc. then I don't know.

It seems to me that the more I research this subject then the more confused and lost I seem to be.Is Lucifer different to Satan?, Who did the American bankers(JP Morgan etc.)that started, financed and controlled Communism and then National Socialism in Germany really worship or answer to?
Kazuya

2 years and 39 weeks ago

Rhymer, allow me to teach you something about groups like these..

It doesn't really matter who or what they are, we just have to stop them.

I would like the know the details too, but it seems they specialize in hiding and misinformation.

However, considering you're wanting to be a private detective, it'd sure be nice if you could get inside they're little group and give us some intel.

Anyone fancy a double agent?
Rhymer

2 years and 39 weeks ago

Oh I know they needed to be exposed and stopped it's just so hard to work out what/who/they are the main people.
Kazuya

2 years and 39 weeks ago

Oh, we know who they are..

I'll give you a hint: Follow the money.

The police used to say that all the time.. I wonder what happened to that.
Rhymer

2 years and 39 weeks ago

Cheers Kazuya.

I know its the money men pulling the strings but... I don't know. The older I get and the more I observe the total crazyness going on in this world it makes me think there's something bigger than just greed.

There must be an easier way than working 40 hours a weeks for some faceless corporation that's more fulfilling than the path I'm on now... If you know what I mean
!note

2 years and 39 weeks ago

What difference does it make, if there is a group of hidden individuals moving their own goals forward in ways that benefit themselves at the vast expense of others? I think we know that its pretty obvious, and the question is, how can we create a different framework for society?

I would argue that there is a vast amount of verifiable, source-able scholarship (historical, economic, sociological etc) that explains how elites manage different interests in their societies to conceal divisions and promote their own gains (through nationalism, banking systems, wars, racial segregation etc).

Traditionally, these systems seem to emerge to prominence by requiring members of societies to engage in the practices that benefit the elite regardless if individuals want to do so or not (the working 40 hours a week for faceless corporations just to meet ends meet).

How can we create the same system, but in ways that foster democratic engagement and self determination--also meeting the insane demands of late capitalism? Exposure and muckracking only goes so far.
Mr-Tape

2 years and 39 weeks ago

Rhymer,
There is no Lucifer of Satan, there is only us, the one consciousness. In the main-stream Illuminati family, Satan/Lucifer(same figure) is used as a base of mind control; they believe that they owe their service to that figure. They(like everyone else unknowingly) have "special abilities" that they believe are unique gifts because they "serve him".

The Masons look at that non-existent entity(Lucifer) from another perspective, the bringer of light/knowledge bla, bla.
iadbsh

2 years and 35 weeks ago

I wouldn't trust david icke not one bit, these fellas made a huge money making business out of this whole conspiracy theory thing. Do you know alex jones is making millions of dollars with his nwo garbage? I heard this thing about david icke seminars being so costly they actually compared them to attending a rock star concert, one would have to buy a ticket worth up to $50 or even $60. Stop worshiping these false prophets, we're being exploited and are getting none of the benefits.

You will never hear alex say anything about the secret covenant of the jesuits in the vatican and islam being a vatican creation. Yes i said islam was created by the vatican, it is part of their agenda to divide and conquer us, and eventually rule the world by imposing upon it a calculated threat, then getting us folks to react, fight each other and usually they would then offer us a solution they see most fit. You should investigate the jesuits and then you will see that alex and david or any of these shills aren't exposing anything at all.

You want some advice on these so called truthers?
1.Don't trust them. Question their every sentence and don't read their books.
2.Don't support them in any way, if it's knowledge that they are offering, that knowledge should be free.
3.Search for anything suspicious in their words, and bash them immediately for spreading false rumors as soon as they start contradicting themselves. ask them; have they seen any reptiles lately? Or: what about the jesuits?